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		<title>By: Lord T</title>
		<link>http://www.pro-liberi.com/2009/11/08/laser-power/comment-page-1/#comment-3623</link>
		<dc:creator>Lord T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 18:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy,

When I was thinking about damaged mirror I was more thinking about the frame being twisted so it focused somewhere else from a solar wind or an impact.    I agree that a few holes would make little difference same as a few missing panels.

I&#039;m with you on this.   Sounds like it&#039;s worth a try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy,</p>
<p>When I was thinking about damaged mirror I was more thinking about the frame being twisted so it focused somewhere else from a solar wind or an impact.    I agree that a few holes would make little difference same as a few missing panels.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you on this.   Sounds like it&#8217;s worth a try.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Norfolk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Norfolk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 15:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lord T - the mirror can be a kilometer square, yet launched in one mission. What are a few holes? It isn&#039;t as if it will collapse due to atmospheric pressure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lord T &#8211; the mirror can be a kilometer square, yet launched in one mission. What are a few holes? It isn&#8217;t as if it will collapse due to atmospheric pressure.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord T</title>
		<link>http://www.pro-liberi.com/2009/11/08/laser-power/comment-page-1/#comment-3552</link>
		<dc:creator>Lord T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 08:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy,

Nothing wrong with a mylar mirror.   I was thinking solar panels because they are increasing in efficiency almost every day and with microasteroids impacting items in space, and potential a Hasselblad, if it takes out a few it will make little difference we just add a few more.   A damaged mirror may stop producing at all.

But in general I&#039;m all for anything like that.

As far as the beams are concerned it is an issue but no more than control of a nuclear power station, a Trident SSBN or a B1.  There are ways we can manage those risks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy,</p>
<p>Nothing wrong with a mylar mirror.   I was thinking solar panels because they are increasing in efficiency almost every day and with microasteroids impacting items in space, and potential a Hasselblad, if it takes out a few it will make little difference we just add a few more.   A damaged mirror may stop producing at all.</p>
<p>But in general I&#8217;m all for anything like that.</p>
<p>As far as the beams are concerned it is an issue but no more than control of a nuclear power station, a Trident SSBN or a B1.  There are ways we can manage those risks.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Norfolk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Norfolk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 04:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why solar panels in space? Why not a huge mylar mirror, focussed on a single collector, say liquid sodium, with microwaves beaming the energy back down, a la Tesla.

The problems that I see are a) precise focus of the beam, so you don&#039;t vaporize a city and b) unfriendly control of the beam (see a)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why solar panels in space? Why not a huge mylar mirror, focussed on a single collector, say liquid sodium, with microwaves beaming the energy back down, a la Tesla.</p>
<p>The problems that I see are a) precise focus of the beam, so you don&#8217;t vaporize a city and b) unfriendly control of the beam (see a)</p>
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		<title>By: Lord T</title>
		<link>http://www.pro-liberi.com/2009/11/08/laser-power/comment-page-1/#comment-1148</link>
		<dc:creator>Lord T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivan,

I meant this would be in place and still in use whilst the wind turbines fell into disuse.

Got the old brain cells going here then.  Funny, whenever I installed a microwave link a nice engineer gave me all the figures I needed.   Basically the price.   :)

Personally, there are plenty of places to site there.   Top of hills, just of the coast in floating facilities and in existing power station sites, ones that are obsolete of course.  Whatever is best.

James,

It wasn&#039;t a quiz.  Despite what you think I don&#039;t know all the answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivan,</p>
<p>I meant this would be in place and still in use whilst the wind turbines fell into disuse.</p>
<p>Got the old brain cells going here then.  Funny, whenever I installed a microwave link a nice engineer gave me all the figures I needed.   Basically the price.   <img src='http://www.pro-liberi.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Personally, there are plenty of places to site there.   Top of hills, just of the coast in floating facilities and in existing power station sites, ones that are obsolete of course.  Whatever is best.</p>
<p>James,</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t a quiz.  Despite what you think I don&#8217;t know all the answers.</p>
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		<title>By: jameshigham</title>
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		<dc:creator>jameshigham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I thought you were going to tell us the answer to your final question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I thought you were going to tell us the answer to your final question.</p>
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		<title>By: ivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lord T,

I would say we need something like it working BEFORE the wind turbines fall down.

You are heading me towards opening boxes that contain some of my reference books just to work out power rating over atmospheric dispersion and hoe it ties in with the inverse square law - something I haven&#039;t had to deal with since setting up a microwave telephone link in Papua New Guinea nearly 25 years ago.

One thing I do know is that it will be &#039;interesting&#039; which ever system is used if there is much pollution in the atmosphere and the current densities are high.  Maybe this is something we should throw at PaAnnoyed from Counting Cats - after all it is 50 years since I was at university.

The other thing is - where do we site the ground stations/collectors?  I&#039;m sure where ever they are will provoke some greenie to get upset.  Plus they need to be reasonably convenient to where the power is used.  

We also have to consider the efficiency of the conversion system. Both have their strengths - and weaknesses - but without having figures to hand I can&#039;t say which would present the simplest engineering problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lord T,</p>
<p>I would say we need something like it working BEFORE the wind turbines fall down.</p>
<p>You are heading me towards opening boxes that contain some of my reference books just to work out power rating over atmospheric dispersion and hoe it ties in with the inverse square law &#8211; something I haven&#8217;t had to deal with since setting up a microwave telephone link in Papua New Guinea nearly 25 years ago.</p>
<p>One thing I do know is that it will be &#8216;interesting&#8217; which ever system is used if there is much pollution in the atmosphere and the current densities are high.  Maybe this is something we should throw at PaAnnoyed from Counting Cats &#8211; after all it is 50 years since I was at university.</p>
<p>The other thing is &#8211; where do we site the ground stations/collectors?  I&#8217;m sure where ever they are will provoke some greenie to get upset.  Plus they need to be reasonably convenient to where the power is used.  </p>
<p>We also have to consider the efficiency of the conversion system. Both have their strengths &#8211; and weaknesses &#8211; but without having figures to hand I can&#8217;t say which would present the simplest engineering problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lord T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivan,

Totally agree on the buts.    That is what I&#039;m not sure about is a laser more efficient than microwaves for transmission through the atmosphere?

The difference with your sat signalis it is not targetted. It transmits across a wide area usually covering all of Europe plus large portions of Russia and the MIddle East.    That energy concentrated into a narrow beam pointing at your dish wouldn&#039;t have a problem with snow at all. 

When you talk about military I assume you mean the 747 laser system.   It isn&#039;t on continuously because they can&#039;t power it.  Even as it is they have to charge the banks first before firing.   As you say our collectors can just add a few more panels on.

It may not be a solution but I suspect that we will have something like this working long after our wind turbines have fallen down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivan,</p>
<p>Totally agree on the buts.    That is what I&#8217;m not sure about is a laser more efficient than microwaves for transmission through the atmosphere?</p>
<p>The difference with your sat signalis it is not targetted. It transmits across a wide area usually covering all of Europe plus large portions of Russia and the MIddle East.    That energy concentrated into a narrow beam pointing at your dish wouldn&#8217;t have a problem with snow at all. </p>
<p>When you talk about military I assume you mean the 747 laser system.   It isn&#8217;t on continuously because they can&#8217;t power it.  Even as it is they have to charge the banks first before firing.   As you say our collectors can just add a few more panels on.</p>
<p>It may not be a solution but I suspect that we will have something like this working long after our wind turbines have fallen down.</p>
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		<title>By: ivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds a good idea but - isn&#039;t there always a but - you would have to look at the efficiency of the system and how much energy reaches the ground depending on the atmospheric conditions.

The actual efficiency of the system might not matter out in space - need more power, just add a few more solar panels - plus there is enough room up there, in theory.  The losses through the atmosphere are a different order of magnitude - I loose a lot of the satellite broadcasts here when it snows, microwave, yes I do need a larger dish and there are space constraints on doing that.  Then there is the eco lobby - what with cooking birds and the heating of the atmosphere for various reasons in both cases.  The military can do it because they are the military and it isn&#039;t on continuously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds a good idea but &#8211; isn&#8217;t there always a but &#8211; you would have to look at the efficiency of the system and how much energy reaches the ground depending on the atmospheric conditions.</p>
<p>The actual efficiency of the system might not matter out in space &#8211; need more power, just add a few more solar panels &#8211; plus there is enough room up there, in theory.  The losses through the atmosphere are a different order of magnitude &#8211; I loose a lot of the satellite broadcasts here when it snows, microwave, yes I do need a larger dish and there are space constraints on doing that.  Then there is the eco lobby &#8211; what with cooking birds and the heating of the atmosphere for various reasons in both cases.  The military can do it because they are the military and it isn&#8217;t on continuously.</p>
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